Sunday, January 2, 2011

Further Place Names in a GEDCOM file - a Follow Up

This is a follow up to the the Burial Fact in the previous blog:

Further Place Names in a GEDCOM file 

This GEDCOM was generated as it was opened in Roots Magic 4 from the GEDCOM file generate by Family Tree Maker 2011.

The Burial Fact looks like this:

1 BURI Round Hill Cemetery
2 PLAC Marion, Smyth, Virginia, USA

In Family Tree Maker, the Cemetery Name was placed in the Description Field. There are no other fields available for a Burial Fact.
 

Trying to understand what was going on, I looked into Roots Magic 4, to see where the Burial Name was located. It was clear that on the edit Person screen, the cemetery name was seen in the Left half of the screen, but when the Burial Fact was seen, the right half of the screen only had the Place name. There is a field, that calls for an Address, Church, or Cemetery Name. But that field was blank.

Looking at the settings for the Burial Fact, there was an option to Add a Description field. Putting a check mark in the field, the Cemetery name now appears in the Description field in Roots Magic.


So, the Cemetery name is present. Exporting this file to a GEDCOM file shows this information in Family Tree Maker 2011.



OK, so far so good. Family Tree Maker and Roots Magic have the Cemetery Name in the Description field. However, the Cemetery Name, in Roots Magic should be in the Place Details. For this test, the Cemetery Name was Moved (Copied and Pasted) from the Description field to the Place Details field.

 


The GEDCOM file now looks like this:

1 BURI
2 PLAC Marion, Smyth, Virginia, USA
2 ADDR Round Hill Cemetery

In Family Tree Maker, there is no ADDR field for the Burial Fact, so the Cemetery Name is lost.

The data was entered into each program, in the format that the program wants the data entered, but when sharing information between Family Tree Maker and Roots Magic, the Cemetery Name is in the wrong field in Roots Magic, but the Cemetery Name is in the Description field in both.

When the Cemetery Name is moved to the Place Details for Roots Magic, the Cemetery Name is lost in Family Tree Maker users.

Not being understanding the GEDCOM standard, but trying to see what the problem might be, this is what is in the standard, as seen HERE:


INDIVIDUAL_EVENT_STRUCTURE: =

  n  [ DEAT | BURI | CREM ] [Y|<NULL>]   {1:1}
    +1 <<EVENT_DETAIL>>  {0:1}


EVENT_DETAIL: =

  n  TYPE <EVENT_DESCRIPTOR>  {0:1}
  n  DATE <DATE_VALUE>  {0:1}
  n  <<PLACE_STRUCTURE>>  {0:1}
  n  <<ADDRESS_STRUCTURE>>  {0:1}

What I see in the first GEDCOM file, the one where the Cemetery Name is seen in both Family Tree Maker and Roots Magic, is that the BURI tag is followed by the Cemetery Name:

1 BURI Round Hill Cemetery
2 PLAC Marion, Smyth, Virginia, USA

But, when the Cemetery Name is moved to the Place Details, the BURI tag is blank, but has the additional ADDR Tag:

1 BURI
2 PLAC Marion, Smyth, Virginia, USA
2 ADDR Round Hill Cemetery

Is the possible problem here, is the lack of specific details about how a Cemetery Fact / Event is to be included in a GEDCOM file. 

I hope that a GEDCOM Technical Person can make a comment about this.

1 comment:

Tom Alciere said...

Let me just say that in building GedcomIndex.com I see the importance of separating the locality from, shall we say, the sub-locality. In this case,

2 PLAC Marion, Smyth, Virginia, USA is excellent because it is easy for my home-made program to categorize it. If your McClanahan and somebody else's McClanahan were both from Marion, there's a good chance they were related, even stronger if the events happened in the same cemetery, church, etc.

One option would be for all developers to add codes for places, but how?